I can only see this as true if it’s the amount sold to retailers and 220,000 is the number that have been shipped to Sony warehouses. 165k can’t be true if there are shops that sold about 5 out of 55 etc.
in fairness, even if they have sold that amount, bear in mind they haven’t sold out. If xbox/wii hadn’t sold out instantly I have no doubt their figures would have been through the roof. Sony unfortunately made too many! Don’t let the figures deceive you! raaaaaaaar!
se figures are coming from Chart-Track, who provide all sales figures for the UK, base their fitures on actual sales to the customer, and are completely independent from Sony.
The only thing that kills Truth is Ignorance, and this website smacks of it.
If thats the case then the 360 probably sold 200K in the same time period…
Under terms of strict anonymity, however, SPOnG was told by our contact at one branch of a major retail outlet, that on both Saturday and Sunday it sold more 360s than it did PS3s. Is that a bad sign? Yes. This soon after launch it would be just about acceptable for the masses of expensive, late PS3 stocks to be moving slowly. However, for the 360 to outsell it at launch weekend should come as a shock to Sony.
To paraphrase some guy’s book Mein KampfSony are telling a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe anyone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”.
Dan said… se figures are coming from Chart-Track, who provide all sales figures for the UK, base their fitures on actual sales to the customer, and are completely independent from Sony.
The only thing that kills Truth is Ignorance, and this website smacks of it.
Blah blah blah, Dan gets a “I’ve Completely Missed the Point of UK:R” award, blah blah blah.
The most hilarious thing is the massive irony involved when he called UK:R ‘ignorant’.
Hmmmmm, Chart-Track. Yeah ok but 165,000 units of PS3 sold with an attachment ratio of 1.65 (due to Sony force bundling!) don’t those Numbers seem odly…similar? maybe one of the figures is correct and then some handy Sony propoganda calculation was used to achieve the other figure?
Plus 165,000/220,000 is exactly 75%…wierd.
Oh and surely if Chart-Track was oh so accurate wouldn’t it be 165,113 or something?
I got banned from NeoGAF for politely pointing out 75% sell through is fucking shit. Except I didn’t say fucking shit. I don’t trust the figure, anyway.
PS3 announced for Spring 2006 (let’s say it would have launched in March for arguments sake)
<-- Everyone who would buy one, waiting to purchase on release -->
PS3 released in March 2007
Number of months waiting for it: 12
Average monthly sales are therefore 13,750 which is obviously completely useless. Also, this is peak selling period, so future average monthly sales will be even lower. Which should mean the end of the evil.
Its good to see so many sony fanboys/chavs lording it over the rest of the uk for their overpriced, shitly compatible, giant fridge of a machine with its total bender-fare launch line up.
“a Sony spokesman would not even hazard an opinion with regard to the weekend’s sales figures, stating that the company is awaiting figures from Chart-Track.”
The sales figures of 165,000 are from some PR, not chart-track official.
kqzbsgs: the noise a Cat makes when you tread on its gonads. sort of.
Both the BBC and gamesindustry.biz are reporting that Chart-Track claim Sony have shifted 185,000 units in the UK alone (in the first four days no less). That is fishy, here is why.
North America has what – five times the population – and yet sold less than 400,000 units on launch week (officially) – though we don’t know how much less than that as Sony won’t be specific, suffice to say estimates from independent analysts were a fair bit lower.
If anyone actually believes that the PS3 is actually more than twice as popular in the UK as it was in the states when it was actually new (despite the price differential here), which is essentially what these figures say, then they have my sympathy.
Think about the queues in the US. Think about the queues here. The hype isn’t even remotely on the same scale. Common sense says that figure is an entirely bogus exercise in wishful thinking by retailers (who don’t want the console to flop anymore than Sony does).
Who the hell is supposed to have bought all these consoles? Is it some bloke in Yorkshire who has 85,764 that he’s trying to flog on Ebay?
The answer is simple: US launch was supply limited, the european one was not. C’mon guys, come up with better conspiracy theories, I mean..Sony sold a shitload of consoles in UK, it must be az lie, right? :)
Can someone please explain how a console manages to break all existing sales records while, at the same time, not even exciting people to the point where they feel compelled to turn up to the midnight launch?
Sorry Gigi, but something stinks about this. How do you have nearly abandoned launch events, followed by record-breaking sales four days later? Did 165,000 ninja chavs just pop out of the bushes in the dead of night and each take home a system?
Something isn’t adding up here. You can’t have dead launch events and overstocked shelves, immediately followed by nearly two hundred thousand sales. It may sound perfectly plausible to you, but I don’t buy it.
I did think it was funny that only 100 people or so turned up for the launch of the leading vendor’s midnight console launch in Oxford Street…
…while in comparison…
…*thousands* of people turned up just a few weeks ago at HMV in Oxford Street to get a copy of a mere *expansion* to an existing PC game. Not even a whole new game!
Consumer Apathy is about to become “sexy” in marketing land. If you can get millions of people to appear completely disinterested then you know that record sales are afoot. Stands to reason innit.
165,000 units? I find that incredibly hard to believe, considering you can pick up a new Ps3 off the shelves of ANY computer and electrical store in the UK right now.
Those figures simply do not add up.
You can bet that figure contains every single pre-order recorded, but does not subtract every single order cancelled…
Remember how record companies “Sell” and most of the charts are made up of what the Big companies bought and the stark contrast between the record charts and the download charts?
Chart-track are of course going to claim that it’s from the consumer but guess what? The retailer is a consumer and they buy them from sony. Sorry to blow what you’re saying out of the water champ.
That’s what’s happening here, in other words it’s what’s sold to the retailers. Charttrack will be covering the shifted allotments which is not really surprising considering the console has been lagging behind in all other countries to the Wii, the 360 and well… the DS.
Good to see Karma for all the Ebay Scum who try exploiting launches, but not good because things will probably pick up on the way upto christmas.
but enough sobering thought, back to the point. People queued for the wii (not just in toilets) and the 360 and even the DS at midnight… yet no shows for the PS3. The truth is a three edged sword, and maybe if some people actually learned that instead of going “The only truth here is ignorance” they take a full look around.
before I say anything I’ll admit I bought a PS3 (oh the shame) but at least I only paid £360 for it.
Anyway, quite possibly the reason that no-one turned up for launches is because there were so many consoles, you were guaranteed to get one anyway, so why waste your time queuing. If there had been limited consoles (and I had been buying it in the shops) I would at least have turned up at 7am at HMV, but as they weren’t I could have turned up at 6pm (or the next day) and still got one.
and Jim Blatantly smells like somebody who doesn’t know anything about working in or being on the Retail industry. :)
People from warehouses sell things to people in shops. therefore they are clients/business partners/Customers. Okay, I picked the wrong word (I have an innate ability for that), but for you to completely miss the point of what I was saying and talk about someone who’s been doing the shop floor sales stuff (for years I may add)as if I was some drunk tramp rambling on about how the world is going to end seems to me like as if you missed the whole dote-oh-show.
Sorry to disappoint what smelt like a victory to you.
“Remember how record companies “Sell” and most of the charts are made up of what the Big companies bought and the stark contrast between the record charts and the download charts?”
Hang on a mo. Are you saying that the supermarket’s contribution to CD chart figures are done at the wholesale end? That is incorrect. The sales figures supplied by UK supermarkets are from individual sales to the customers – ie: barcode scans through the tills. Any disparity between the physical and download charts has more to do with the demographics of genre.
I should add that I’m not disagreeing with anything you might have to say about the videogame trade.
March 27th, 2007 on 12:41 am
thats pretty funny
March 27th, 2007 on 1:30 am
Using the term AXIS in this way is the best thing I’ve seen in ages, anywhere.
March 27th, 2007 on 2:48 am
So when they say 165k sold, they mean sold to RETAILERS, right?
There’s no way that this thing sold that much after such an abysmal midnight launch showing.
March 27th, 2007 on 3:25 am
jesus! not again! PUT THE WALL BACK UP!
March 27th, 2007 on 7:04 am
“The Sony Youth”… sieg heil!
March 27th, 2007 on 7:23 am
I can only see this as true if it’s the amount sold to retailers and 220,000 is the number that have been shipped to Sony warehouses. 165k can’t be true if there are shops that sold about 5 out of 55 etc.
March 27th, 2007 on 9:39 am
I think half those 165000 are on ebay at the moment anyway.
March 27th, 2007 on 10:04 am
…selling at a loss, naturally.
March 27th, 2007 on 10:09 am
in fairness, even if they have sold that amount, bear in mind they haven’t sold out. If xbox/wii hadn’t sold out instantly I have no doubt their figures would have been through the roof. Sony unfortunately made too many! Don’t let the figures deceive you! raaaaaaaar!
March 27th, 2007 on 10:12 am
Shouldn’t that be SIXAXIS propaganda? ^_^
March 27th, 2007 on 10:13 am
I was going to say how many of those sold are on ebay right now.
Most of em i bet.
And yeah, it didnt sell out. If Nintendo/Micrososft had more in stores on launch tiem they would of easily sold more.
March 27th, 2007 on 10:29 am
se figures are coming from Chart-Track, who provide all sales figures for the UK, base their fitures on actual sales to the customer, and are completely independent from Sony.
The only thing that kills Truth is Ignorance, and this website smacks of it.
March 27th, 2007 on 10:44 am
If thats the case then the 360 probably sold 200K in the same time period…
Under terms of strict anonymity, however, SPOnG was told by our contact at one branch of a major retail outlet, that on both Saturday and Sunday it sold more 360s than it did PS3s. Is that a bad sign? Yes. This soon after launch it would be just about acceptable for the masses of expensive, late PS3 stocks to be moving slowly. However, for the 360 to outsell it at launch weekend should come as a shock to Sony.
source
March 27th, 2007 on 11:27 am
To paraphrase some guy’s book Mein Kampf Sony are telling a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe anyone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”.
He saw it all coming, whoever he was.
*Sorry!
March 27th, 2007 on 11:27 am
Brilliant poster idea, great to see such creativity on the site.
March 27th, 2007 on 11:40 am
Okay, you’ve had your fun, please can we have a post about Sonic, or blue skies, or Animal Crossing?
March 27th, 2007 on 11:43 am
Dan said…
se figures are coming from Chart-Track, who provide all sales figures for the UK, base their fitures on actual sales to the customer, and are completely independent from Sony.
The only thing that kills Truth is Ignorance, and this website smacks of it.
Blah blah blah, Dan gets a “I’ve Completely Missed the Point of UK:R” award, blah blah blah.
The most hilarious thing is the massive irony involved when he called UK:R ‘ignorant’.
March 27th, 2007 on 11:45 am
I think that this guy also believes in alternative history…
http://iran.worldcupblog.org/upload/ahmadinejad_2.jpg
March 27th, 2007 on 1:29 pm
Hmmmmm, Chart-Track. Yeah ok but 165,000 units of PS3 sold with an attachment ratio of 1.65 (due to Sony force bundling!) don’t those Numbers seem odly…similar? maybe one of the figures is correct and then some handy Sony propoganda calculation was used to achieve the other figure?
Plus 165,000/220,000 is exactly 75%…wierd.
Oh and surely if Chart-Track was oh so accurate wouldn’t it be 165,113 or something?
March 27th, 2007 on 2:19 pm
I got banned from NeoGAF for politely pointing out 75% sell through is fucking shit. Except I didn’t say fucking shit. I don’t trust the figure, anyway.
March 27th, 2007 on 2:20 pm
It’s a joy seeing so many ppl in a complete denial state :)
March 27th, 2007 on 2:40 pm
If the figure of 165k is assumed to be accurate
PS3 announced for Spring 2006 (let’s say it would have launched in March for arguments sake)
<-- Everyone who would buy one, waiting to purchase on release -->
PS3 released in March 2007
Number of months waiting for it: 12
Average monthly sales are therefore 13,750 which is obviously completely useless. Also, this is peak selling period, so future average monthly sales will be even lower. Which should mean the end of the evil.
March 27th, 2007 on 2:43 pm
Its good to see so many sony fanboys/chavs lording it over the rest of the uk for their overpriced, shitly compatible, giant fridge of a machine with its total bender-fare launch line up.
yippeee!
March 27th, 2007 on 3:22 pm
Dan: so’s your face.
March 27th, 2007 on 3:26 pm
You’d have to be a real low-life arse-kisser to believe Sony.
Some people think big business is a religion to worship. They’ll bow-down, believe all that is said, and basically behave as zealots.
I have pages of evidence that I’ve read over the years- which proves that Sony always lie and cheat.
Believe Sony? You’d have to be Phil Harrison’s Mother.
March 27th, 2007 on 5:13 pm
http://www.brandrepublic.com/BrandRepublicNews/News/646182/Sony-PS3-hit-10m-cancellations/http://www.brandrepublic.com/BrandRepublicNews/News/646182/Sony-PS3-hit-10m-cancellations/
20 000 pre-orders cancelled but still 165 000 sales?!
March 27th, 2007 on 5:14 pm
Dan:
“a Sony spokesman would not even hazard an opinion with regard to the weekend’s sales figures, stating that the company is awaiting figures from Chart-Track.”
The sales figures of 165,000 are from some PR, not chart-track official.
kqzbsgs: the noise a Cat makes when you tread on its gonads. sort of.
(Red Dwarf shame)
March 27th, 2007 on 5:17 pm
So are you saying Sony are part of the SIXAXIS OF EVIL? Who are the other 5 axes?
March 27th, 2007 on 8:56 pm
Both the BBC and gamesindustry.biz are reporting that Chart-Track claim Sony have shifted 185,000 units in the UK alone (in the first four days no less). That is fishy, here is why.
North America has what – five times the population – and yet sold less than 400,000 units on launch week (officially) – though we don’t know how much less than that as Sony won’t be specific, suffice to say estimates from independent analysts were a fair bit lower.
If anyone actually believes that the PS3 is actually more than twice as popular in the UK as it was in the states when it was actually new (despite the price differential here), which is essentially what these figures say, then they have my sympathy.
Think about the queues in the US. Think about the queues here. The hype isn’t even remotely on the same scale. Common sense says that figure is an entirely bogus exercise in wishful thinking by retailers (who don’t want the console to flop anymore than Sony does).
Who the hell is supposed to have bought all these consoles? Is it some bloke in Yorkshire who has 85,764 that he’s trying to flog on Ebay?
March 27th, 2007 on 9:38 pm
The answer is simple: US launch was supply limited, the european one was not.
C’mon guys, come up with better conspiracy theories, I mean..Sony sold a shitload of consoles in UK, it must be az lie, right? :)
March 27th, 2007 on 9:55 pm
LOL, if you think this is bad, the press is saying that over 600k of the one million units available to launch where sold!
The war goes bad for the resistance!
EUROPE AM SONY FASCISTS!
March 27th, 2007 on 10:48 pm
So if Sony are the Nazis, does that make Sega the Jews?
March 27th, 2007 on 11:12 pm
I notice the use of the word ‘estimated’ before the 165000 sales.
Apologies for being slow
March 28th, 2007 on 12:23 am
Hmm.
Can someone please explain how a console manages to break all existing sales records while, at the same time, not even exciting people to the point where they feel compelled to turn up to the midnight launch?
March 28th, 2007 on 12:52 am
Sorry Gigi, but something stinks about this. How do you have nearly abandoned launch events, followed by record-breaking sales four days later? Did 165,000 ninja chavs just pop out of the bushes in the dead of night and each take home a system?
Something isn’t adding up here. You can’t have dead launch events and overstocked shelves, immediately followed by nearly two hundred thousand sales. It may sound perfectly plausible to you, but I don’t buy it.
JR
March 28th, 2007 on 12:58 am
I did think it was funny that only 100 people or so turned up for the launch of the leading vendor’s midnight console launch in Oxford Street…
…while in comparison…
…*thousands* of people turned up just a few weeks ago at HMV in Oxford Street to get a copy of a mere *expansion* to an existing PC game. Not even a whole new game!
Zing!
March 28th, 2007 on 1:14 am
Consumer Apathy is about to become “sexy” in marketing land. If you can get millions of people to appear completely disinterested then you know that record sales are afoot. Stands to reason innit.
March 28th, 2007 on 1:51 am
165,000 units? I find that incredibly hard to believe, considering you can pick up a new Ps3 off the shelves of ANY computer and electrical store in the UK right now.
Those figures simply do not add up.
You can bet that figure contains every single pre-order recorded, but does not subtract every single order cancelled…
March 28th, 2007 on 2:44 am
Here’s the thing that amuses me.
Remember how record companies “Sell” and most of the charts are made up of what the Big companies bought and the stark contrast between the record charts and the download charts?
Chart-track are of course going to claim that it’s from the consumer but guess what? The retailer is a consumer and they buy them from sony. Sorry to blow what you’re saying out of the water champ.
That’s what’s happening here, in other words it’s what’s sold to the retailers. Charttrack will be covering the shifted allotments which is not really surprising considering the console has been lagging behind in all other countries to the Wii, the 360 and well… the DS.
Good to see Karma for all the Ebay Scum who try exploiting launches, but not good because things will probably pick up on the way upto christmas.
but enough sobering thought, back to the point. People queued for the wii (not just in toilets) and the 360 and even the DS at midnight… yet no shows for the PS3. The truth is a three edged sword, and maybe if some people actually learned that instead of going “The only truth here is ignorance” they take a full look around.
Open your eyes, and see through the lies.
Verification – hibhee = bummed knee?
March 28th, 2007 on 10:02 am
If they’re not all sold out by the weekend we will know it is a DIRTY STINKING LIE!!
March 28th, 2007 on 1:16 pm
“The retailer is a consumer”
I love the smell of someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about in the morning. Smells like victory.
March 28th, 2007 on 2:22 pm
before I say anything I’ll admit I bought a PS3 (oh the shame) but at least I only paid £360 for it.
Anyway, quite possibly the reason that no-one turned up for launches is because there were so many consoles, you were guaranteed to get one anyway, so why waste your time queuing. If there had been limited consoles (and I had been buying it in the shops) I would at least have turned up at 7am at HMV, but as they weren’t I could have turned up at 6pm (or the next day) and still got one.
March 28th, 2007 on 3:01 pm
and Jim Blatantly smells like somebody who doesn’t know anything about working in or being on the Retail industry. :)
People from warehouses sell things to people in shops. therefore they are clients/business partners/Customers. Okay, I picked the wrong word (I have an innate ability for that), but for you to completely miss the point of what I was saying and talk about someone who’s been doing the shop floor sales stuff (for years I may add)as if I was some drunk tramp rambling on about how the world is going to end seems to me like as if you missed the whole dote-oh-show.
Sorry to disappoint what smelt like a victory to you.
March 28th, 2007 on 3:44 pm
“Remember how record companies “Sell” and most of the charts are made up of what the Big companies bought and the stark contrast between the record charts and the download charts?”
Hang on a mo. Are you saying that the supermarket’s contribution to CD chart figures are done at the wholesale end? That is incorrect. The sales figures supplied by UK supermarkets are from individual sales to the customers – ie: barcode scans through the tills.
Any disparity between the physical and download charts has more to do with the demographics of genre.
I should add that I’m not disagreeing with anything you might have to say about the videogame trade.